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Post by Lumbergh on Apr 1, 2006 11:21:32 GMT -5
thank you dr. heckman. also i need those TPS reports on my desk my monday. yeah that would be great thanks.
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Post by xjessex on Apr 2, 2006 12:07:40 GMT -5
What time is this gonna kick off?
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Post by JH on Apr 2, 2006 18:35:20 GMT -5
Ok kids, here is the story of the great Chicago - St. Louis Rivalry, which is an important backdrop to any understanding of a greater Kansas city - St. Louis rivalry. . .
The quest for domination of the Mississippi and Ohio river valleys was first and foremost a battle between the competing cities of Cincinnati and STL. STL shot past cincy in the middle 1800's and sought to dominate the Mississippi shipping corridor. Over 15,000 miles of waterways used for transportation centered around the development of STL as the main trade and shipping hub of the Midwest.
By 1855, STL had an estimated wholesale trade of 18 million $ annually. Most of this commerce occurred along the levy. Population growth corresponded to the rise in trade in STL, so much so that by 1860 there were 160,773 people calling St. Louis home, making it the 8th largest city in the United States. This is important to note because up in til this time the main population centers of the country had developed along coastal shipping lines in places like NYC, New Orleans, Boston ect. St. Louis had a bright future as the "New York of the Midwest", controlling commerce and trade from the fertile hinterlands of the Missouri, Mississippi and Ohio river valleys. St. Louis bankers and entrepreneurs bank on continued dominance of trade and invest heavily in steamboat technology and transportation.
The only problem with this bet is a little neighbor to the north called Chicago. Chicago develops almost as fast as STL having 112,172 residents in 1860. Unlike STL, Chicago entrepreneurs invest in the powerhouse industry of the late 1800's, yep, you guessed it the fucking iron horse. In Chicago a man named William B Ogden, takes control of the Galena and Chicago Union Railroad in 1877 and proceeds with what is known as the "great STL shutoff". Ogden convinces easter capital that the RR is the means of transportation for the future and that investment in the RR should go thru Chicago.
Chicago appeals for federal aid and develops the Illinois Central RR which parallels the Mississippi river. River traffic just can compete with the iron horse which runs year round, no ice build up can impede commerce with the RR. The Chicago and Rock Island RR pushes into central Iowa diverting valuable commerce from the STL hinterland. Also the Chicago and Alton RR moves goods from Alton Ill which is right outside of STL. Chicago also blows past stl by developing grain silos to store grain which ships better on the RR anyway. By 1880 Chicago has out paced STL in growth, containing 503,905 residents to stl's 350,518.
This is were Kansas City enters the picture. At this time Chicago is the main shipping hub for RR traffic in the united states. St Louis wants a piece of the KC commerce action, so STL builds one RR line to KC. But Chicago slaps STL in the face by making KC the 2nd largest RR shipping hub in the united states. Chicago uses STL as an economic satellite effectively making KC a hinterland of Chicago not st Louis. . .
So I'm sure STL was hurt by this action. I imagine that STL cried its self to sleep many a night wondering why KC wouldn't just keep it in the state, why did KC have to run with big and bad Chicago.
For KC the answer was easy. Shit kid, Chicago's got all the loot. They even got access to the Erie canal, I'm talking the Erie frickin canal, you know, connection to New York City and shit. What do you have STL, New Orleans, that shit was a swamp in the late 1800's. KC's arrogance must stem from the desire to run with the big dogs in NEW YORK CITY.
Something that I personally can identify with. . .
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Post by jh on Apr 2, 2006 18:39:55 GMT -5
"Chicago uses STL as an economic satellite effectively making KC a hinterland of Chicago not st Louis. . . "
Oops that should read, Chicago uses KC as an economic satellite. . ." Sorry kids, i dont know how that got past the editors.
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Post by nicholas on Apr 2, 2006 19:08:55 GMT -5
except, fuck new york city. that shit is like a million miles away.
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Post by droppingturds on Apr 3, 2006 10:22:29 GMT -5
i appreciate your scholarshipm jesse.
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Post by nicholas on Apr 3, 2006 13:07:58 GMT -5
barbecue is a great idea, i might do that. but we'd need to heat it up and everything probably. it might take some planning.
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Post by nicrophilia on Apr 3, 2006 15:01:04 GMT -5
van + grill = meals on wheels get a bbq mobile duh dude... its elementary.  |
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Post by jh on Apr 3, 2006 16:57:42 GMT -5
The real deal BBQ comes from hooking up your smoker to the trailer hitch on your truck, then smoking all the way to STL. I think you could smoke a rack of ribs in the time it takes to drive across the state. Of course you'd miss out on all the beer drinking and shitkicking normally associated with BBQ.
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Post by draculaben on Apr 4, 2006 10:31:30 GMT -5
BBQ in St. Loo on Saturday. Ya'll kids should decide what time you're getting in so the grill can be warm.
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Post by mookie on Apr 4, 2006 13:33:03 GMT -5
i'll be there friday night. i'm sleeping at your house, by the way. and do you still have my answering machine lp and ipod thing?
i'll come bearing dates for our bogus journey overseas.
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Post by justin anxiety on Apr 4, 2006 17:55:19 GMT -5
anyone have a plan for getting together and heading out as a huge kc punk caravan?
i know there was some talk about getting in to town early and eating some pizza and going to the museum or something. is anyone still planning on that?
time and place to meet up?
at least some directions would be good, i have no idea how to get to the slaughterhouse.
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Post by nicholas on Apr 5, 2006 22:04:42 GMT -5
i have no idea how i'm getting there.
more on the barbecue, will there be a grill there? i was just going to make something the day before and do it family reunion style.
i'm trying to think of ultra kansas city things to do there. i wanna represent too hard. 816 the place.
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Post by draculaben on Apr 6, 2006 12:40:30 GMT -5
I got a big n mini grill in the back yard.
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Post by quicksand burnett on Apr 6, 2006 13:21:04 GMT -5
we have firepits at the slaughterhouse that i could concievably drag over to dracula's.
from kansas city, stay on 70 east until you get to 40 east. stay on 40 east until you get to Jefferson. get off on jefferson. turn right. continue down jefferson for a few miles, but get on alert after you pass Arsenal. a few blocks after Arsenal, take a right on UTAH. then take a left one block later on TEXAS. the adress for the slaughterhouse is 3343 Texas
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